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Kryptic6 Senior Member
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Posted: Nov 11, 2004 8:53 pm Post subject: Re: AVENGERS FINALE MULTI THREAD RESPONSE |
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Mack draws an amazing Natalie Portman. I keep saying this because she's my soulmate. Just doesn't realize it yet is all... _________________ "I can't take no more, what are we fighting for? You are my brothers, each one I would die for." - Korn |
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MyWifeSaidItWasOK Junior Member
Joined: 21 Mar 2004 Posts: 213 Location: Glorious Cleveland, Ohio
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Posted: Nov 11, 2004 9:02 pm Post subject: Re: AVENGERS FINALE MULTI THREAD RESPONSE |
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Absolutely brilliant arc. NOBODY can write Cap like you. The end of #502 will stay in my mind for all time. _________________ Big Bang Theory:
In the beginning there was nothing which exploded.
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jedifish Stranger
Joined: 06 Oct 2004 Posts: 26 Location: MI
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Posted: Nov 11, 2004 9:28 pm Post subject: Re: AVENGERS FINALE MULTI THREAD RESPONSE |
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Overall, I was disappointed with Chaos and Finale. Maybe it's due to the fact I read Avengers 101-294 over the Summer, so some of the events in Chaos just don't ring true to me.
I understand your logic for having Wanda do it, but the way Chaos was written, I just didn't care that it was her. Maybe if I'd seen indications of her going off the deep end, I could buy it, but to have Dr. Strange tell the reader it's her and that's that, with no real battle, was a letdown to me anyway. I love your writing because your so good at characterization, but I really felt that these issues were lacking in that regard.
As for Finale, I just didn't like the fact they just quit. I also didn't like the fact that some of the members favorite moments were when they weren't on the team. I'm curious as to your reasoning for that. I guess when I think of the Avengers, I think of issue 280, after the Masters of Evil Under Siege arc. It was the Jarvis issue, where he is deciding whether he is going to quit after getting beaten within an inch of his life. He decides to stay, because that is what an Avenger would do.
Anyway, I'm disappointed in the arc but didn't hate it. I will be checking out New Avengers. I hope it's a return to what makes you so good on the other titles you write. |
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Fetsur Junior Member

Joined: 11 Aug 2003 Posts: 493 Location: UK
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Posted: Nov 11, 2004 11:53 pm Post subject: Re: AVENGERS FINALE MULTI THREAD RESPONSE |
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Lord Retail wrote: | I really blew out #503 in anticipation of the Must Haves Avengers #500-502 and you know what? I'm seriously almost out of #503. I think that people are either buying it from me because all other stores in the driveable area are sold out (that happens a lot) or *gasp* could it be that people are buying that issue who didn't get the previous parts? I had a kid (15 to 18=kid to me) want to buy the Finale without having read Chaos. I told him I'd hold the book and the 503 for him until the Must Haves comes out. I tried to order more Finale too a few weeks ago, but it was too late. They say that if enoughback orders come in that, maybe certain comics get filled in time. I'll have to test that because I need 503 and Finale to go with all the Must Haves I have coming in  |
wow, for a retailer you show a surprising amount of concern for the reader's enjoyment of a story. What store do you run, where? I think I want to go there some day, if I'm passing
very much enjoyed FINALE. especially MACK's contribution. as a whole it was very sad, but had some touching moments. sometimes made me laugh. and I've never even followed the Avengers. It felt monumental though... this is the last ever issue of Avengers! it's really over.
I smell BRITISH AVENGERS spinoff (and no I dont mean Steed and Mrs Peel) _________________
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MyWifeSaidItWasOK Junior Member
Joined: 21 Mar 2004 Posts: 213 Location: Glorious Cleveland, Ohio
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Posted: Nov 12, 2004 12:26 am Post subject: Re: AVENGERS FINALE MULTI THREAD RESPONSE |
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Fetsur wrote: | Lord Retail wrote: | I really blew out #503 in anticipation of the Must Haves Avengers #500-502 and you know what? I'm seriously almost out of #503. I think that people are either buying it from me because all other stores in the driveable area are sold out (that happens a lot) or *gasp* could it be that people are buying that issue who didn't get the previous parts? I had a kid (15 to 18=kid to me) want to buy the Finale without having read Chaos. I told him I'd hold the book and the 503 for him until the Must Haves comes out. I tried to order more Finale too a few weeks ago, but it was too late. They say that if enoughback orders come in that, maybe certain comics get filled in time. I'll have to test that because I need 503 and Finale to go with all the Must Haves I have coming in  |
wow, for a retailer you show a surprising amount of concern for the reader's enjoyment of a story. What store do you run, where? I think I want to go there some day, if I'm passing
very much enjoyed FINALE. especially MACK's contribution. as a whole it was very sad, but had some touching moments. sometimes made me laugh. and I've never even followed the Avengers. It felt monumental though... this is the last ever issue of Avengers! it's really over.
I smell BRITISH AVENGERS spinoff (and no I dont mean Steed and Mrs Peel) |
I've been told that there are a lot of retailers that don't understand the concept of customer service. Someone recently told me that there are retailers that tell their customers that they can't order a book, and it's right there in Previews; they just don't really give a damn. Thankfully I live in Cleveland and can't imagine a better retailer than Jim Williams of Comic Heaven. To get to Jim from my home, I pass 2 closer comic stores. I spend about $3500/yr at his store, and I know that I might be able to cut that down by 20-40% by buying my books from a wholesale internet site. But I'm loyal to my retailer, because the loyalty is a two-way street. Here are a few examples of how Jim has been there for me as a retailer:
+I can count on Jim to know my interests and pull books for me that I might miss.
+And if I really don't like what he suggests (which usually doesn't happen), he takes it back without a problem.
+I was out of work for a spell in 2002 and couldn't purchase my books. When I came back months later, Jim sold me back issues at cover price.
+In 2000, way before the Torso TPB came out, Jim got me copies of the original issues.
+Although I can't get to his store on Saturdays when he gives out passes to new movie releases he sponsors, he makes sure that he holds a couple of passes back for me and my wife.
And it doesn't stop with Jim. He hires motivated workers that are excited about comics. He trains them to provide the best customer service possible.
So to sum up; my loyalty to my retailer is based on:
1. Superb customer service
2. Freindly open atmosphere
3. Well presented product _________________ Big Bang Theory:
In the beginning there was nothing which exploded.
-Martin Levy |
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misterdoctor Junior Member
Joined: 29 Apr 2004 Posts: 160 Location: Northern California, USA
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Posted: Nov 12, 2004 12:30 am Post subject: Re: AVENGERS FINALE MULTI THREAD RESPONSE |
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Fetsur wrote: | It felt monumental though... this is the last ever issue of Avengers! it's really over. |
Even once New Avengers is as successful as we all know it will be, after some amount of time, the old Avengers will turn up again in a monthly Avengers title. Honest. You know why?
Because it'll sell. |
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MACK! Senior Member
Joined: 27 Sep 2003 Posts: 1094
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Posted: Nov 12, 2004 12:56 am Post subject: Re: AVENGERS FINALE MULTI THREAD RESPONSE |
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MyWifeSaidItWasOK wrote: | Fetsur wrote: | Lord Retail wrote: | I really blew out #503 in anticipation of the Must Haves Avengers #500-502 and you know what? I'm seriously almost out of #503. I think that people are either buying it from me because all other stores in the driveable area are sold out (that happens a lot) or *gasp* could it be that people are buying that issue who didn't get the previous parts? I had a kid (15 to 18=kid to me) want to buy the Finale without having read Chaos. I told him I'd hold the book and the 503 for him until the Must Haves comes out. I tried to order more Finale too a few weeks ago, but it was too late. They say that if enoughback orders come in that, maybe certain comics get filled in time. I'll have to test that because I need 503 and Finale to go with all the Must Haves I have coming in  |
wow, for a retailer you show a surprising amount of concern for the reader's enjoyment of a story. What store do you run, where? I think I want to go there some day, if I'm passing
very much enjoyed FINALE. especially MACK's contribution. as a whole it was very sad, but had some touching moments. sometimes made me laugh. and I've never even followed the Avengers. It felt monumental though... this is the last ever issue of Avengers! it's really over.
I smell BRITISH AVENGERS spinoff (and no I dont mean Steed and Mrs Peel) |
I've been told that there are a lot of retailers that don't understand the concept of customer service. Someone recently told me that there are retailers that tell their customers that they can't order a book, and it's right there in Previews; they just don't really give a damn. Thankfully I live in Cleveland and can't imagine a better retailer than Jim Williams of Comic Heaven. To get to Jim from my home, I pass 2 closer comic stores. I spend about $3500/yr at his store, and I know that I might be able to cut that down by 20-40% by buying my books from a wholesale internet site. But I'm loyal to my retailer, because the loyalty is a two-way street. Here are a few examples of how Jim has been there for me as a retailer:
+I can count on Jim to know my interests and pull books for me that I might miss.
+And if I really don't like what he suggests (which usually doesn't happen), he takes it back without a problem.
+I was out of work for a spell in 2002 and couldn't purchase my books. When I came back months later, Jim sold me back issues at cover price.
+In 2000, way before the Torso TPB came out, Jim got me copies of the original issues.
+Although I can't get to his store on Saturdays when he gives out passes to new movie releases he sponsors, he makes sure that he holds a couple of passes back for me and my wife.
And it doesn't stop with Jim. He hires motivated workers that are excited about comics. He trains them to provide the best customer service possible.
So to sum up; my loyalty to my retailer is based on:
1. Superb customer service
2. Freindly open atmosphere
3. Well presented product |
Glad to hear this!
Jim at Comic Heaven is a super great guy. He really is a good person.
And he runs an excellent comic shop with customer service as a priority.
I'm very glad to hear him mentioned here.
Please tell him that I say hello!
And that we love him! |
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NickThompson Addict

Joined: 22 Aug 2003 Posts: 5592 Location: England
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Posted: Nov 12, 2004 12:59 am Post subject: Re: AVENGERS FINALE MULTI THREAD RESPONSE |
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Fetsur wrote: |
I smell BRITISH AVENGERS spinoff (and no I dont mean Steed and Mrs Peel) |
Captain Britain
Chamber
Ressurected Psylocke
Union Jack
Spitfire
Mark Millar
I'll write it  _________________
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Fetsur Junior Member

Joined: 11 Aug 2003 Posts: 493 Location: UK
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Posted: Nov 12, 2004 10:57 am Post subject: Re: AVENGERS FINALE MULTI THREAD RESPONSE |
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Actually i was thinking partly of Ant-Man and Wasp
but you go for it man!  _________________
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mario94606xl Junior Member

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Lord Retail Senior Member

Joined: 18 Sep 2004 Posts: 1090 Location: NC
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Posted: Nov 12, 2004 2:54 pm Post subject: Re: AVENGERS FINALE MULTI THREAD RESPONSE |
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Fetsur wrote: | Lord Retail wrote: | I really blew out #503 in anticipation of the Must Haves Avengers #500-502 and you know what? I'm seriously almost out of #503. I think that people are either buying it from me because all other stores in the driveable area are sold out (that happens a lot) or *gasp* could it be that people are buying that issue who didn't get the previous parts? I had a kid (15 to 18=kid to me) want to buy the Finale without having read Chaos. I told him I'd hold the book and the 503 for him until the Must Haves comes out. I tried to order more Finale too a few weeks ago, but it was too late. They say that if enoughback orders come in that, maybe certain comics get filled in time. I'll have to test that because I need 503 and Finale to go with all the Must Haves I have coming in  |
wow, for a retailer you show a surprising amount of concern for the reader's enjoyment of a story. What store do you run, where? I think I want to go there some day, if I'm passing
very much enjoyed FINALE. especially MACK's contribution. as a whole it was very sad, but had some touching moments. sometimes made me laugh. and I've never even followed the Avengers. It felt monumental though... this is the last ever issue of Avengers! it's really over.
I smell BRITISH AVENGERS spinoff (and no I dont mean Steed and Mrs Peel) |
Well, yeah. Comics are not food or water. People don't need them to live. They're a non-essential entertainment. And they can be expensive. So I really need for my customers to feel as though they have spent their disposeable income wisely and get maximum enjoyment from what they bought. Especially, if its something I suggested.
I'm not a fan of David Mack. His issues of Daredevil where Echo returned were not well recieved and honestly the readers literally couldn't understand his art. But his piece in Finale was beautiful. I'd love to own that original art, but I'll bet Bendis has it hanging in his trophy room  |
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Lord Retail Senior Member

Joined: 18 Sep 2004 Posts: 1090 Location: NC
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Posted: Nov 12, 2004 3:00 pm Post subject: Re: AVENGERS FINALE MULTI THREAD RESPONSE |
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MyWifeSaidItWasOK wrote: | Fetsur wrote: | Lord Retail wrote: | I really blew out #503 in anticipation of the Must Haves Avengers #500-502 and you know what? I'm seriously almost out of #503. I think that people are either buying it from me because all other stores in the driveable area are sold out (that happens a lot) or *gasp* could it be that people are buying that issue who didn't get the previous parts? I had a kid (15 to 18=kid to me) want to buy the Finale without having read Chaos. I told him I'd hold the book and the 503 for him until the Must Haves comes out. I tried to order more Finale too a few weeks ago, but it was too late. They say that if enoughback orders come in that, maybe certain comics get filled in time. I'll have to test that because I need 503 and Finale to go with all the Must Haves I have coming in  |
wow, for a retailer you show a surprising amount of concern for the reader's enjoyment of a story. What store do you run, where? I think I want to go there some day, if I'm passing
very much enjoyed FINALE. especially MACK's contribution. as a whole it was very sad, but had some touching moments. sometimes made me laugh. and I've never even followed the Avengers. It felt monumental though... this is the last ever issue of Avengers! it's really over.
I smell BRITISH AVENGERS spinoff (and no I dont mean Steed and Mrs Peel) |
I've been told that there are a lot of retailers that don't understand the concept of customer service. Someone recently told me that there are retailers that tell their customers that they can't order a book, and it's right there in Previews; they just don't really give a damn. Thankfully I live in Cleveland and can't imagine a better retailer than Jim Williams of Comic Heaven. To get to Jim from my home, I pass 2 closer comic stores. I spend about $3500/yr at his store, and I know that I might be able to cut that down by 20-40% by buying my books from a wholesale internet site. But I'm loyal to my retailer, because the loyalty is a two-way street. Here are a few examples of how Jim has been there for me as a retailer:
+I can count on Jim to know my interests and pull books for me that I might miss.
+And if I really don't like what he suggests (which usually doesn't happen), he takes it back without a problem.
+I was out of work for a spell in 2002 and couldn't purchase my books. When I came back months later, Jim sold me back issues at cover price.
+In 2000, way before the Torso TPB came out, Jim got me copies of the original issues.
+Although I can't get to his store on Saturdays when he gives out passes to new movie releases he sponsors, he makes sure that he holds a couple of passes back for me and my wife.
And it doesn't stop with Jim. He hires motivated workers that are excited about comics. He trains them to provide the best customer service possible.
So to sum up; my loyalty to my retailer is based on:
1. Superb customer service
2. Freindly open atmosphere
3. Well presented product |
See we all laugh about the "comic shop guy" on the Simpsons, but that guy is real. Alive and well in America. So few comic shops are run like a real competitive business that has to maintain and satisfy its customer base. As well as cultivate a new audience for the future. I could yell at kids for not knowing where Spiderman comics are OR I could ask them who their favorite villain is and show them that book. And give them a reprint from those Marvel Legends action figures that we keep around. They'll remember that, and they'll talk about comics and my store to other kids. I don't know why more comic shops aren't run like real businesses. |
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Lord Retail Senior Member

Joined: 18 Sep 2004 Posts: 1090 Location: NC
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Posted: Nov 12, 2004 3:01 pm Post subject: Re: AVENGERS FINALE MULTI THREAD RESPONSE |
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MACK! wrote: | MyWifeSaidItWasOK wrote: | Fetsur wrote: | Lord Retail wrote: | I really blew out #503 in anticipation of the Must Haves Avengers #500-502 and you know what? I'm seriously almost out of #503. I think that people are either buying it from me because all other stores in the driveable area are sold out (that happens a lot) or *gasp* could it be that people are buying that issue who didn't get the previous parts? I had a kid (15 to 18=kid to me) want to buy the Finale without having read Chaos. I told him I'd hold the book and the 503 for him until the Must Haves comes out. I tried to order more Finale too a few weeks ago, but it was too late. They say that if enoughback orders come in that, maybe certain comics get filled in time. I'll have to test that because I need 503 and Finale to go with all the Must Haves I have coming in  |
wow, for a retailer you show a surprising amount of concern for the reader's enjoyment of a story. What store do you run, where? I think I want to go there some day, if I'm passing
very much enjoyed FINALE. especially MACK's contribution. as a whole it was very sad, but had some touching moments. sometimes made me laugh. and I've never even followed the Avengers. It felt monumental though... this is the last ever issue of Avengers! it's really over.
I smell BRITISH AVENGERS spinoff (and no I dont mean Steed and Mrs Peel) |
I've been told that there are a lot of retailers that don't understand the concept of customer service. Someone recently told me that there are retailers that tell their customers that they can't order a book, and it's right there in Previews; they just don't really give a damn. Thankfully I live in Cleveland and can't imagine a better retailer than Jim Williams of Comic Heaven. To get to Jim from my home, I pass 2 closer comic stores. I spend about $3500/yr at his store, and I know that I might be able to cut that down by 20-40% by buying my books from a wholesale internet site. But I'm loyal to my retailer, because the loyalty is a two-way street. Here are a few examples of how Jim has been there for me as a retailer:
+I can count on Jim to know my interests and pull books for me that I might miss.
+And if I really don't like what he suggests (which usually doesn't happen), he takes it back without a problem.
+I was out of work for a spell in 2002 and couldn't purchase my books. When I came back months later, Jim sold me back issues at cover price.
+In 2000, way before the Torso TPB came out, Jim got me copies of the original issues.
+Although I can't get to his store on Saturdays when he gives out passes to new movie releases he sponsors, he makes sure that he holds a couple of passes back for me and my wife.
And it doesn't stop with Jim. He hires motivated workers that are excited about comics. He trains them to provide the best customer service possible.
So to sum up; my loyalty to my retailer is based on:
1. Superb customer service
2. Freindly open atmosphere
3. Well presented product |
Glad to hear this!
Jim at Comic Heaven is a super great guy. He really is a good person.
And he runs an excellent comic shop with customer service as a priority.
I'm very glad to hear him mentioned here.
Please tell him that I say hello!
And that we love him! | My girlfriend lives in Kent (I live in NC ) Where is Comic Heaven in relation to that? |
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