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Zeppe Junior Member
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Joined: 11 Sep 2003 Posts: 416 Location: The self proclaimed "Land of Great Potatoes"
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Posted: Dec 27, 2003 5:37 pm Post subject: Re: All kinds of Love to David Mack |
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I just loved the line: The dog that wins is the one I feed the most. _________________ For relaxing times....make it Suntory time. |
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Twocool4u1 Enthusiast
Joined: 11 Aug 2003 Posts: 750 Location: oregon
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Posted: Dec 27, 2003 6:41 pm Post subject: Re: All kinds of Love to David Mack |
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[quote="autodick"]Considering I have only 7 posts under my belt I have no right to harshly criticize Mack's work on Daredevil, but I just did not enjoy the arc. His art was great; I don't think it belonged in this book. the writting was redundant, and Wolverine's appearance wasn't the best choice of charachter to put in the book. It would have been better if it was just a separate minseries. [/quote]
If you didn't like it you didn't like it. Its when you start criticizing Mack as a person we get riled up. It was planned to be a seperate mini but Bendis and Maleev needed a break. I think it could have been a good seperate mini but I don't think as many people would have bought it because they might not be too familiar with David Mack. or people couldn't afford it or might just "wait for the trade". But I have heard many more people say they enjoyed this mini and are going to check out Kabuki based on this mini. to each their own. I enjoyed the mini. The art was great. People that say that his art doesn't belong in comics, but I think it does. How many times can we see a character drawn the same way by different artists. Some artists have their own style (Maleev, Oeming, etc) making their art unique. Other artists you couldn't tell apart. I hope his art will open doors and influence people so that we may see stuff we haven't seen before in comics. blah blah blah. ramble ramble ramble. I'm done. Anyone else? |
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Max Criden Enthusiast
Joined: 26 Aug 2003 Posts: 609
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Posted: Dec 27, 2003 7:26 pm Post subject: Re: All kinds of Love to David Mack |
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Hey how many times did you say "mini" just then? I've got Guiness on line one. _________________
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Murdocks Girl Junior Member

Joined: 20 Oct 2003 Posts: 425 Location: Chi-town (*CHICAGO*)
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Posted: Dec 27, 2003 11:24 pm Post subject: Re: All kinds of Love to David Mack |
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I totally agree with Two cool. people have known that when you start critizing mack as a person, that i become a total bitch. Why? well becuase I am so in love with his artwork and stories. When itcomes to writing and art, the person behind (in this case Mack) is giving you a part of their mind and soul.
Which really makes me wonder what is going on in mack's head sometimes.
As for the DD run, i remember in a thread that Mack said to wait it out to the critics saying that this echo line was a bit boring. The close for this arc couldn't have been more perfect.....Hopefully this will give Echo her own mini or own book altogether (that would be awsome).
About people crtizing his art for comics:
Pick up issue 50 of Daredevil and during the fight sequence look at all the diffrent aritist interpretations. Its my opinion, but I think that Macks does so much more to explain emotions without using the words. I can pick up an issue of DD or Kabuki that Mack has done and look at if 10 diffrent times and finds 10 diffrent more things each time. When it comes to Kabuki in particular-I think the "mass media" effect that some people refer to actually helps the story along. As a fan I went from DD to picking up Kabuki, and I can guarentee that anything else he touches will be on my pull list.
(to be honest, my favorite DD is issue 53 for the cover-hence the avatar)
The other reason that I like Macks work so much is that both of his "big name" stories center around females that are strong (this is coming from dabbling in the mythos of feminism) but are not sexpots (like Mystique for example). Both Echo and Kabuki have been put in the "minority within a minority" (remember the record shop scene in Chasing Amy) they are both female, then both havea mental/physical problem and as for race they are (god i have labels i realllllly do) "minorites"-japanese and native american. The fact that mack was able to create such great characters in the first place is amazing- but to make them so ......relateable (sp? is that even a word?) that its like having an "imaginary friend" ....well that is simply worthy of the fucking pulitzer or something.
So mack, if you happen to catch this-thank you for alot of hard work, and giving me hope that comics can have a strong Herioine.
MG  _________________
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and this is why Mack is my favorite artist.And a true gentlemen in every way.
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Mark Josephs Senior Member

Joined: 23 Aug 2003 Posts: 2242 Location: New York City
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Posted: Dec 28, 2003 12:37 am Post subject: Re: All kinds of Love to David Mack |
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If Mack were President, I would be like, Hey, vote for Mack for reelection. _________________ "We have now reaped the bitter harvest that underestimating Mrs. Krafft sowed."
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csfason Junior Member
Joined: 19 Aug 2003 Posts: 273 Location: the steel city
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Posted: Dec 28, 2003 2:04 am Post subject: Re: All kinds of Love to David Mack |
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DanLTaylor wrote: | Oeming wrote: | I could tell this to Davids face, but his beauty would tempt me to kiss him | Now I'm feeling all tingly again like I did in Ohio. |
heh heh heh... at least i get that one.  |
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Moodi Enthusiast

Joined: 11 Aug 2003 Posts: 522 Location: Toronto, Ontario
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Posted: Dec 28, 2003 8:23 am Post subject: Re: All kinds of Love to David Mack |
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David Mack is a work of art who sculpts works of art to the requiem of strokes. The mere bland pieces of paper metamorphoses into true elements of beauty by, and only by, his hand!
Oh and he can kick all your asses. I've seen them jugular arms he has! _________________ "Until they become conscious, they will never rebel, and until after they have rebelled, they cannot become conscious" - G.O's "1984" |
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MACK! Junior Member
Joined: 27 Sep 2003 Posts: 112
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Posted: Jan 07, 2004 6:59 am Post subject: Re: All kinds of Love to David Mack |
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Thank you! |
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Kryptic6 Junior Member
Joined: 11 Nov 2003 Posts: 251 Location: Northwestern University
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Posted: Jan 07, 2004 7:48 am Post subject: Re: All kinds of Love to David Mack |
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Murdocks Girl wrote: | I totally agree with Two cool. people have known that when you start critizing mack as a person, that i become a total bitch. Why? well becuase I am so in love with his artwork and stories. When itcomes to writing and art, the person behind (in this case Mack) is giving you a part of their mind and soul.
Which really makes me wonder what is going on in mack's head sometimes.
As for the DD run, i remember in a thread that Mack said to wait it out to the critics saying that this echo line was a bit boring. The close for this arc couldn't have been more perfect.....Hopefully this will give Echo her own mini or own book altogether (that would be awsome).
About people crtizing his art for comics:
Pick up issue 50 of Daredevil and during the fight sequence look at all the diffrent aritist interpretations. Its my opinion, but I think that Macks does so much more to explain emotions without using the words. I can pick up an issue of DD or Kabuki that Mack has done and look at if 10 diffrent times and finds 10 diffrent more things each time. When it comes to Kabuki in particular-I think the "mass media" effect that some people refer to actually helps the story along. As a fan I went from DD to picking up Kabuki, and I can guarentee that anything else he touches will be on my pull list.
(to be honest, my favorite DD is issue 53 for the cover-hence the avatar)
The other reason that I like Macks work so much is that both of his "big name" stories center around females that are strong (this is coming from dabbling in the mythos of feminism) but are not sexpots (like Mystique for example). Both Echo and Kabuki have been put in the "minority within a minority" (remember the record shop scene in Chasing Amy) they are both female, then both havea mental/physical problem and as for race they are (god i have labels i realllllly do) "minorites"-japanese and native american. The fact that mack was able to create such great characters in the first place is amazing- but to make them so ......relateable (sp? is that even a word?) that its like having an "imaginary friend" ....well that is simply worthy of the fucking pulitzer or something.
So mack, if you happen to catch this-thank you for alot of hard work, and giving me hope that comics can have a strong Herioine.
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Here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to take everything my good friend MG up there just wrote, all those pulitzer prize winning comments, and say, "me too, Mack." You see that there? You see what I did there? That was great. _________________ "I can't take no more, what are we fighting for? You are my brothers, each one I would die for." - Korn |
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Nappy Root Enthusiast

Joined: 02 Sep 2003 Posts: 608 Location: Ground Control.
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Posted: Jan 07, 2004 8:28 am Post subject: Re: All kinds of Love to David Mack |
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I think that the Echo story would have been better received as a miniseries outside the Daredevil continutity.
Granted, it did finish strong, but there were like 3 panels with the regular Daredevil characters.
That's my only real complaint with it.
I mean, I'm slowly coming over to the side that backs the Mack.
Slowly. _________________ "Actresses are sensitive."
"Yeah? We'll so's my ass."
"The little birdies are talking to me. They're saying Mack can't mess with you, Mack too slow." |
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PeterSparker Senior Member

Joined: 11 Aug 2003 Posts: 1302 Location: NYC
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Posted: Jan 07, 2004 3:29 pm Post subject: Re: All kinds of Love to David Mack |
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Great post O! Since getting back into comics about 3 years ago, I think the artist whose work I've most deeply enjoyed is Mack's! (with Oeming being a close second) Not to sound too pretentious, but Mack's an artist in every sense of the word. I first saw his work in the 'Wake Up' trade, when I was trying to get caught up on Bendis' DD run, and I was just blown away. The 'Echo' run he just finished is one of the most enjoyable comic experiences I've ever had. Just beautiful in mood, and design. And Kabuki has been outstanding!
plus, his segment on the Daredevil DVD was great! I loved looking at the paintings in his studio! Keep it up Dave! (you too Oeming! ) _________________ FUCK ZABU! |
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daGetHighKnight Senior Member

Joined: 11 Aug 2003 Posts: 1926 Location: NYC/Staten Island
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Posted: Jan 07, 2004 3:30 pm Post subject: Re: All kinds of Love to David Mack |
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Anyone who could arrange exacto knives like he does deserves all the praise he can get....
Keep it up.... _________________ "You don't truly know a Someone ... Until you fight Them.."
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MACK! Junior Member
Joined: 27 Sep 2003 Posts: 112
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Posted: Jan 07, 2004 11:38 pm Post subject: Re: All kinds of Love to David Mack |
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Thanks all.
Nappy thanks for those encouraging remarks. Remember, I made it pretty clear in all of my interviews about the Echo story that this was an Echo story. The job that I was given was to write an Echo story that was not in the DD series.
So of course it would be better recieved as an Echo story. It's too bad that some readers were judging it not based on what it is, and what the object of the story is, but what they decided before hand that it should be. When those readers get over that initial hump, and judge it on what it is, and what the purpose of it is, they seem to be able to begin to see the story for the first time and really enjoy it.
If I was asked to write at Daredevil story, I would have written a Daredevil story. But that was not the story that I was asked to write. So of course it only peripherally involves DD.
I'm glad to see that the readers who did not see understand this at the outset are starting to see it and dig it.
And of course, thanks to all of you who have seen and understood, and enjoyed this story from the get go.
If you dig it, check out Kabuki for what I think is the best presentation of my work in comics.
Best,
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NickThompson Enthusiast

Joined: 22 Aug 2003 Posts: 523
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Posted: Jan 07, 2004 11:45 pm Post subject: Re: All kinds of Love to David Mack |
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I'll freely admit I didn't like most of the last arc, but I loved the last issue, the art is good and I enjoyed his previous Daredevil arcs (Writing one, arting the other). I look forward to Ultimate X-Men  _________________ "You know, if we get killed in the street by two delinquent Pokemon trainers, people might forget that we were badasses." - Alex Hayden |
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