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falanius
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PostPosted: Jan 30, 2004 9:51 pm    Post subject: Petition to bring back the 9 panel grid. Reply with quote

The greats have used it. Dave Dibbons on Watchmen, Keith Giffen on Heckler. It is the most efficent on page space, to get the most out of a page composition. When a large action moment occurs, you can break it for that page, and it will pop out on you with impact. It provides a denser read, more depth can be given. 22 page story can be a fuller story with more dialog, action and storytelling. I ask you this, where is the 9-panel grid now?

I propose a petition to bring this form back to comics.
Done away is the splash page every other page.
Done away is the comic that takes 10 min. to read.


join me in our new cause!
Let the banner wave unfurled!



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PostPosted: Jan 30, 2004 9:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Petition to bring back the 9 panel grid. Reply with quote

there is no question that the grid has had its champions in the past, and even some guys that still use it in their work. however, I personally find it too restrictive in my style of storytelling. it's actually the thing that made the Marvel books so different from DC and other companies back in the mid-60s. For reasons of speed, Stan would provide a spoken word description of what should happen in the comic. the artist would then come up with all the storytelling by breaking this all down into 22 pages. what started to happen is that each artist had their own style of storytelling. the readers started to recognize the styles of the different artists more and more.

it's okay that you like that format, but in a lot of ways, it's like asking the artists to put back on their chains. no thanks...

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PostPosted: Jan 30, 2004 9:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Petition to bring back the 9 panel grid. Reply with quote

Dave Lapham still cold rocks the 9 panel grid.
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PostPosted: Jan 30, 2004 10:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Petition to bring back the 9 panel grid. Reply with quote

dave uses the 6 panel grid actually.
its slightly inferior to the 9 panel yet I do accept it much more than the marvel 3 to 4 panel crap.

just think how much more fun Ultimates would be if it had more panels, more angles, more dialog.

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PostPosted: Jan 31, 2004 1:56 am    Post subject: Re: Petition to bring back the 9 panel grid. Reply with quote

i agree that there are too many splash pages in some books. but i love the freeness books like powers have. and i really like the boundless approach david mack uses. the story should dictate the format not a petition. and yes i think the 9 panel layout has its place as well in that it forces the creators to be very creative in the composition of individual panels.
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PostPosted: Jan 31, 2004 2:10 am    Post subject: Re: Petition to bring back the 9 panel grid. Reply with quote

falanius wrote:
dave uses the 6 panel grid actually.
its slightly inferior to the 9 panel yet I do accept it much more than the marvel 3 to 4 panel crap.



OOOOOOOHHHHH! Dale got told! Wink
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PostPosted: Jan 31, 2004 2:21 am    Post subject: Re: Petition to bring back the 9 panel grid. Reply with quote

I prefer to let the creative team decide how many panels they use... since, ya know, they're the ones telling the story & all...
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PostPosted: Jan 31, 2004 2:48 am    Post subject: Re: Petition to bring back the 9 panel grid. Reply with quote

Just because the 9 panel grid returns doesn't mean we'll exactly get more for what we bargain. The companies will raise the prices, trust me.
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PostPosted: Jan 31, 2004 3:38 am    Post subject: Re: Petition to bring back the 9 panel grid. Reply with quote

LOL

that would be funny huh?

wait, 9 panels x 22 pages...thats almost 3 times the comic! riase the prices! we cant have our customers being satisfied after a single issue? what will this do to the trades?? Heck no!
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PostPosted: Jan 31, 2004 4:02 am    Post subject: Re: Petition to bring back the 9 panel grid. Reply with quote

falanius wrote:
dave uses the 6 panel grid actually.
its slightly inferior to the 9 panel yet I do accept it much more than the marvel 3 to 4 panel crap.

just think how much more fun Ultimates would be if it had more panels, more angles, more dialog.

aj


excuse me?
6 panel grid?

i'm sorry to inform you that mr. lapham is an 8 panel grid man, and not only that, he rocks the 8 better then anyone alive can rock the 9
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PostPosted: Jan 31, 2004 4:04 am    Post subject: Re: Petition to bring back the 9 panel grid. Reply with quote

greatgamer wrote:
Just because the 9 panel grid returns doesn't mean we'll exactly get more for what we bargain. The companies will raise the prices, trust me.


why would they raise the prices? Confused
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PostPosted: Jan 31, 2004 4:08 am    Post subject: Re: Petition to bring back the 9 panel grid. Reply with quote

because the publishers are greedy
and it takes artists alot longer to draw 9 panels on a page the 3 or 4
that 3 times more that they have to lay out perspective, anatomy, facial expression, Ect.
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PostPosted: Jan 31, 2004 4:08 am    Post subject: Re: Petition to bring back the 9 panel grid. Reply with quote

(formerly known as ryanH) wrote:
greatgamer wrote:
Just because the 9 panel grid returns doesn't mean we'll exactly get more for what we bargain. The companies will raise the prices, trust me.


why would they raise the prices? Confused


Maybe he thinks that increasing the number of panels would cause artists to increase what they ask per page. However more panels =/= more work for the artist so I don't see why prices would increase.
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PostPosted: Jan 31, 2004 6:22 am    Post subject: Re: Petition to bring back the 9 panel grid. Reply with quote

It is a fun grid. I used it a bunch in Kabuki at times. Also the twelve panel grid and the 16 panel grid. Check out Kabuki Circle of Blood and even times in Kabuki Metamorphosis for it. But I choose the layout that best serves the individual story or scene.
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PostPosted: Jan 31, 2004 7:15 am    Post subject: Re: Petition to bring back the 9 panel grid. Reply with quote

Look art nazi. Not everyone wants to conform to your machine-like ideals of order in comics. The fucking things are numbered. Isn't that enough for you? Art needs to be free! Pull down the gutters! Those of us without sticks up our asses want to be free!

Okay, maybe that is overstating a bit. Wink

Truth is, I don't see any reason to simply go to a nine panel grid. I know people have had great success with it in the past (Lapham uses an eight page grid that I really like.) but I think artists should have a chance to express their vision as well. With all the importance I put on telling the story, you can't constrict things too much. You will bore the audience.
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