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Is it just me, or is Wolverine getting dumped on these days?

 
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Is Wolverine's character being needlessly abused these days?
Yes, absolutely!
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Maybe--in marketing, but not story-wise
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Maybe--in stories, but not in marketing
25%
 25%  [ 4 ]
Of course not! "What 'cho talkin' 'bout Willis?"
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PostPosted: Nov 23, 2003 1:23 am    Post subject: Is it just me, or is Wolverine getting dumped on these days? Reply with quote

Maybe I'm making something out of nothing, but it seems lately that a lot of writers are using Wolverine as either a puching bag for their title characters (Ennis' Punisher), trying to give them some kind of credibility; or giving him pointless cameos just so they can throw him on the cover and improve sales (X-treme X-men, Exiles, upcoming Daredevil, etc.).

Once upon a time, Logan was "the best there is at what he does" and he was respected not just for his claws, but for his enchanced senses and fighting ability. Now it seems that he is just a pair of claws that "heal real fast," perfect for letting him take all kinds of crap and abuse with the idea that "it's OK, he'll heal up and come back for more next issue!"

Am I alone in this? Are my childhood memories of Wolverine as Marvel's primere butt-kicker merely rose-tinted remembrances? I'd like to know what y'all have to say (yes, I'm from the South)

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PostPosted: Nov 23, 2003 1:52 am    Post subject: Re: Is it just me, or is Wolverine getting dumped on these d Reply with quote

I agree with you that sometimes a cameo may be used to boost sales or spice it up, as it were, but I think most appearances (see last issue of Daredevil) are done pretty well. In Daredevil, Mack doesn't even reference the X-Men or Wolverine, I don't think.
Although Ennis and Robertson's Wolverine story in Punisher was Ennis exercising his hate for superheroes, as I hear.
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PostPosted: Nov 23, 2003 2:15 am    Post subject: Re: Is it just me, or is Wolverine getting dumped on these d Reply with quote

a little over-exposed at the moment, but nothing like the 90's heyday...

every fucking book had either an x or an x-character cameo...

when i saw archangel in ghost rider i knew the end was near.
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PostPosted: Nov 23, 2003 2:48 am    Post subject: Re: Is it just me, or is Wolverine getting dumped on these d Reply with quote

The guy has been whored to death.
There's no thrill anymore. He may aswell just be a piece of background scenery. I think it's sad.
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PostPosted: Nov 24, 2003 6:14 am    Post subject: Re: Is it just me, or is Wolverine getting dumped on these d Reply with quote

Wow, what an incredibly low interest in this post so far! Has this topic has already been broached, or is no one is interested in Wolverine anymore?

Kinda reminds me of when Gambit was introduced and suddenly he was all popular with my friends and they were like "Wolverine who? He's old news . . ."

-sigh-


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PostPosted: Nov 24, 2003 6:16 am    Post subject: Re: Is it just me, or is Wolverine getting dumped on these d Reply with quote

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Posted: Nov 23, 2003 1:52 am    Post subject: Re: Is it just me, or is Wolverine getting dumped on these d
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I agree with you that sometimes a cameo may be used to boost sales or spice it up, as it were, but I think most appearances (see last issue of Daredevil) are done pretty well. In Daredevil, Mack doesn't even reference the X-Men or Wolverine, I don't think.

____

Hi,
Thanks for noticing that. Yeah, the words, Logan, Wolverine, and X-man are no where in any of the Echo/DD issues or in the recap pages at the beginning. And I never promoted it as a Wolverine story, or as a cameo or cross over, and never ever mentioned his name or any of those words in any of my interviews about the story.

So it cracks me up that so many people were dishing flack because of what characters are appearing in other books that I don't know about, don't read, and have now controll of or affiliation with.

No one need to know what or who Wolverine is to enjoy this story. I went to great pains to tell this story in the exact structure of a Native American Vision quest. Echo doesn't know who or what the fuck a Wolverine is. As far as she or the casual reader understand, this is just some figure she meets in the woods. And if anyone prefers to not view this figure as the character you are referring to as Wolverine, then you have my blessing to.

But if you read the book and you know of that character and decide that this is him, then you will appreciate some extra dimension and implications in some of the story.

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PostPosted: Nov 24, 2003 6:27 am    Post subject: Re: Is it just me, or is Wolverine getting dumped on these d Reply with quote

Superman
Batman
Spider-Man
Wolverine

Arguably the 4 biggest characters in all of comics. I find it interesting that while Batman, Superman, and Spider-Man have the market just as saturated, if not moreso (especially with Batman, who not only has his titles but a family of books that is ginormous) than Wolverine, Wolvie is constantly the focal point of any attacks on a character being overexposed.

Just a thought.
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PostPosted: Nov 24, 2003 4:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Is it just me, or is Wolverine getting dumped on these d Reply with quote

I must apologize for getting us off on the wrong track here . . .

I definately think that Spider-Man and Batman are over-exposed as well, but the point of the thread is not supposed to be exposure. It was to comment (or whine, depending on your standpoint, I guess) on what appeared to me as the sudden trend of "Let's have my character beat-up on Wolverine to prove what a bad-ass s/he is."

Don't get me wrong, Spider-Man definately takes his lumps, but it's usually from all the same bad guys and he always walks away the winner. The one time Batman really got his butt kicked at the hands of Bane, it was a major event. And yes Superman died once, but that also was a huge event.

But for Wolverine, getting his butt-kicked has almost become a plot cliche: (Ennis') Punisher blows his face off and leaves him under a streamroller, (Claremont's) Deathstrike guts him and leaves him laying in a death-like state in the woods, (Millar's) Ult. X-men has him run over by an 18-wheeler, and (Bendis') Ult. X-men has him shot to pieces and taken to school by some rouge covert-ops people with a chip on their shoulder.

I want to know what happened to Miller's Wolverine, the one who took on a whole ninja clan, kicked butt and walked away--his emotional scars causing more pain than physical ones. This is a guy who has repeatedly butted heads with not only someone like Sabretooth, but the freakin' Hulk! Does that mean that everyone who has beaten Wolverine can beat those two? If so, clearly they are not as scary and intimidating as we make them out to be . . .

That's what I'm trying to get at here . . . overexposure is not really the issue in my mind. . .
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